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A fan map of Harry Turtledove's TL-1911 series - pondering what could have happened had the CSA won WWI.
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Dyluthus Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2014
A very clean and era appropriate piece indeed! Though I'm loathed to enjoy any timeline where the Confederacy is victorious I'm happy to see that Canada is no longer an occupied territory as opposed to Turtledove's post-Great War TL-1911 timeline :)
MornofVivec Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2014
Look at it this way: Had the Confederacy won, it would have meant no Jake Featherston. I recall reading on the Turtledove Wiki that Turtledove initially planned the South to win and become more liberal, especially by giving credit to the black soldiers for the victory. Conversely, someone like Gordon McSweeney would rise up in the North, and USA would become more authoritarian.
Dyluthus Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2014
Indeed MornofVivec the pieces in hindsight were indeed set for such an outcome. I've heard that theory before and having read the books I can easily believe that Mr. Turtledove had entertained the idea of a Southern Great War victory, yet I have a hard time imagining just how the Confederacy and Canada could have overcome the sheer industrial and population gap with the United States in that timeline. It would have been very interesting to know what Turtledove had in mind.
CheeseburgerTom Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2014
Assuming Hawaii went back to the British?  Poor Mexico got such a tiny land gain that it almost seems insulting even if it includes San Diego.  Didn't remember Jefferson being a state in these books.
OyVeyILoveIt Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2014
Oh hell no, you damn Yoopers are staying with us! We won you from Ohio!
DaFreak47 Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Student Digital Artist
It always bugs me that the Chihuahua-Durango border is not what it was at the time when Chihuahua would have become a Confederate state.
CheeseburgerTom Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2014
It always bugged me that the CSA bought two Mexican States for the explicit purpose of building a transcontinental railroad that didn't go to the Pacific Ocean.
DaFreak47 Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I think that the Bay of California is arguably a part of the Pacific Ocean, but I see your point.
SecretAgent632 Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
This has got to be one of my favorite alternate timeline series. If the Confederacy won the Great War in America, does that mean France and England won in Europe?
Jerry7119 Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2014
Of course not. Rumania was defeated in 1916 and Russia in 1917. So the Germans had the troops free for the western front. Italian hadn't made it either. They have lost at the Isonzo-River about 15 times hundreds of thousands soldiers. So they were going to loose too. So France and GB wouldn't had hold the western front line. And that is the reason, why the USA got in. Because if the Entende would have lost the war, all goods and money which had been send to the allies would had been lost for the the USA.
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